By SeekerMark Driscoll has just finished a six-part series on the gifts at Mars Hill. Mark describes what he feels are four distinct positions people take on the subject.
- Cessationist which he dispatches very quickly.
- Charismatic which he doesn t define clearly.
- Charismaniacs where he says that they effectively have a lower view of the Bible and undervalue it, at least in practice, even if they don t say so. He uses a great deal of humour here, which doesn t come out well in the transcript. He asks, "How do you know if you are in a charismaniac church?"
- If the husband and wife are co-pastors and she has big hair, and he has a charisma hair cut, a goatee, and a white suit!
- When the pastor smacks people on the head and they fall to the ground.
- If the name has the name "shekinah" or something similar in it . . .and especially if there are a lot of flames in the logo (Pyromaniacs watch out!)
- If they hand out praise flags or tambourines on the way in!
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- Pentecostal similar to the charismatic, but the only way to know you have the Holy Spirit is if you speak in tongues.
Driscoll describes himself as "charismatic with a seat belt" which is a fantastic line!
He doesn t mention third wave, but seems to be arguing for that position, which is a nuanced version of the charismatic position. Driscoll clearly believes in an active God, and describes some dramatic prophetic-type experiences he has had personally. He believes, however, that all Christians are baptised in the Spirit when they are saved, and therefore doesn t mention any kind of second blessing. This is perhaps not unsurprising considering he states that personally he does not speak in tongues, although some members of the Mars Hill pastoral staff do.
It is interesting how tongues are emphasised less among most of those who take a more gradualist approach to the Spirit, i.e. He is with us always, and inspires the more "natural" gifts in almost the same way He does the more supernatural, and is available for us, but not in a dramatic crisis-like manner. In fact, the so-called three waves seem to progressively de-emphasise tongues. The first makes it essential, the second important, and the third an optional extra. Perhaps in the fourth wave there will be no tongues whatsoever! Personally, I am happier with a 2.0 or 2.5 position but I do respect Driscoll's reasons for his position.
He doesn t mention third wave, but seems to be arguing for that position, which is a nuanced version of the charismatic position. Driscoll clearly believes in an active God, and describes some dramatic prophetic-type experiences he has had personally. He believes, however, that all Christians are baptised in the Spirit when they are saved, and therefore doesn t mention any kind of second blessing. This is perhaps not unsurprising considering he states that personally he does not speak in tongues, although some members of the Mars Hill pastoral staff do.
It is interesting how tongues are emphasised less among most of those who take a more gradualist approach to the Spirit, i.e. He is with us always, and inspires the more "natural" gifts in almost the same way He does the more supernatural, and is available for us, but not in a dramatic crisis-like manner. In fact, the so-called three waves seem to progressively de-emphasise tongues. The first makes it essential, the second important, and the third an optional extra. Perhaps in the fourth wave there will be no tongues whatsoever! Personally, I am happier with a 2.0 or 2.5 position but I do respect Driscoll's reasons for his position.
Spiritual Gifts part VI
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Pastor Mark Driscoll preaches on the guidelines for speaking in tongues, prophecy, and women in the church.
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Pastor Mark Driscoll preaches on the guidelines for speaking in tongues, prophecy, and women in the church.
Spiritual Gifts part V
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Pastor Mark Driscoll wades deep into the controversial and hotly debated issues of speaking in tongues and prophecy. As with all spiritual gifts, tongues and prophecy must be tempered by spiritual maturity, love, and a desire to humbly serve Christ.
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Pastor Mark Driscoll wades deep into the controversial and hotly debated issues of speaking in tongues and prophecy. As with all spiritual gifts, tongues and prophecy must be tempered by spiritual maturity, love, and a desire to humbly serve Christ.
Spiritual Gifts part IV
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Week 4 of a 7-week study of the spiritual gifts. This week we depart from the book of 1 Corinthians to examine the gifts of encouragement, giving, leadership, mercy, and hospitality.
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Week 4 of a 7-week study of the spiritual gifts. This week we depart from the book of 1 Corinthians to examine the gifts of encouragement, giving, leadership, mercy, and hospitality.
Spiritual Gifts part III
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Week 3 of a 7-week study of the spiritual gifts. This week we examine the gifts of apostles, teaching, helps/service, administration, and biblical counseling/ pastoring.
Spiritual Gifts part II
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An examination of the gifts of faith, healing, miracles, and discernment. All of these gifts are inextricably linked to the freedom of God to act according to His will. The purpose of these and all gifts is to point to Jesus Christ.
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Week 3 of a 7-week study of the spiritual gifts. This week we examine the gifts of apostles, teaching, helps/service, administration, and biblical counseling/ pastoring.
Spiritual Gifts part II
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An examination of the gifts of faith, healing, miracles, and discernment. All of these gifts are inextricably linked to the freedom of God to act according to His will. The purpose of these and all gifts is to point to Jesus Christ.
Spiritual Gifts part I
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1 Corinthians 12:1-8; 11 Jesus said that one day Christians would do even greater ministry than He did by the empowerment and gifting of the Holy Spirit. This gifting, however, is often misunderstood. Paul provides clear teaching on the purpose, nature, and goal of "spiritual gifts."
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1 Corinthians 12:1-8; 11 Jesus said that one day Christians would do even greater ministry than He did by the empowerment and gifting of the Holy Spirit. This gifting, however, is often misunderstood. Paul provides clear teaching on the purpose, nature, and goal of "spiritual gifts."
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